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George Murdoch Mackay

George Murdoch Mackay

Male 1871 - 1939  (68 years)

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  1. 1.  George Murdoch Mackay was born on 13 Aug 1871 in Bathgate, West Lothian, Scotland (son of George Mackay and Elisabeth Donaldson Aitken); died on 1 Sep 1939 in Lynnwood, South Queensfery, West Lothian, Scotland; was buried in 1939 in Queensferry Municipal Cemetery, Midlothian, Scotland.

    Other Events:

    • _UID: 25DC30D813F543DE94AF52EE8F66EC31C715
    • Residence: 29 Mar 1876, West Craigs, Shotts, Lanarkshire, Scotland
    • Residence: 1881, 1 Hopetoun Street, Bathgate, West Lothian, Scotland
    • Occupation: 1891; drapers apprentice
    • Residence: 1891, 4 Engine Street, Bathgate, West Lothian, Scotland
    • Occupation: 15 Jun 1904; licensed grocer
    • Residence: 15 Jun 1904, South Queensferry, West Lothian, Scotland
    • Occupation: 29 Mar 1905; master grocer
    • Residence: 29 Mar 1905, Craigview, Queensferry, West Lothian, Scotland
    • Occupation: 26 Dec 1906; master grocer
    • Residence: 26 Dec 1906, Craigview, Queensferry, West Lothian, Scotland
    • Occupation: 17 Jun 1909; master grocer
    • Residence: 17 Jun 1909, Craigview, Queensferry, West Lothian, Scotland
    • Occupation: 2 Jun 1910; master grocer
    • Residence: 2 Jun 1910, Craigview, Queensferry, West Lothian, Scotland
    • Occupation: 20 Mar 1912; master grocer
    • Residence: 20 Mar 1912, Glenavon, South Queensferry, Scotland
    • Residence: 3 Feb 1920, Glenavon, South Queensferry, Scotland
    • Occupation: 4 Feb 1920; grocer
    • Residence: 4 Feb 1920, Glenavon, South Queensferry, Scotland
    • Occupation: 9 Mar 1935; grocer, retired
    • Occupation: 27 Jun 1946; master grocer
    • Occupation: 24 Apr 1956; master grocer, deceased
    • Occupation: 11 Jun 1968; master grocer, deceased

    Notes:

    Name: George Murdoch Mackay
    Gender: Male
    Birth Date: 13 Aug 1871
    Birth Place: Bathgate, West Lothian, Scotland
    Father: George Mackay
    Mother: Elizabeth Donaldson Aitken
    FHL Film Number: 6035516

    In 1920 George Mackay was the informant of the death of his mother Elisabeth Aitken

    ------ From Source Attached To: Death ------
    Death Cert, Cit. Date: 15 Nov 2020.
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    ------ From Source Attached To: Occupation ------
    Death Cert, Cit. Date: 16 Nov 2020.
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    ------ From Source Attached To: Occupation ------
    Death Cert, Cit. Date: 16 Nov 2020.
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    George married Alexa Catherine Norrie on 15 Jun 1904 in 5 Grayshall, Bathgate, West Lothian, Scotland. Alexa (daughter of Alexander Norrie and Mary Ballantyne) was born on 29 Mar 1876 in West Craigs, Shotts, Lanarkshire, Scotland; died on 24 Apr 1956 in Lynnwood, South Queensfery, West Lothian, Scotland; was buried in 1956 in Queensferry Municipal Cemetery, Midlothian, Scotland. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

    Children:
    1. Mary Ballantyne Mackay was born on 29 Mar 1905 in Craigview, Queensferry, West Lothian, Scotland; died on 2 Jan 2000; was buried on 12 Jan 2000 in Queensferry Municipal Cemetery, Midlothian, Scotland.
    2. Elizabeth Donaldson Aitken Mackay was born on 26 Dec 1906 in Craigview, Queensferry, West Lothian, Scotland; died on 31 Mar 1999; was buried in 1999 in Queensferry Municipal Cemetery, Midlothian, Scotland.
    3. Isabella Gunn Mackay was born on 17 Jun 1909 in Craigview, Queensferry, West Lothian, Scotland; died on 11 Jun 1968 in 9 East Terrace, South Queensfery, West Lothian, Scotland; was buried in 1968 in South Queensferry, West Lothian, Scotland.
    4. Alexa Norrie Mackay was born on 2 Jun 1910 in Craigview, Queensferry, West Lothian, Scotland; died in 1982; was buried in 1982 in Queensferry Municipal Cemetery, Midlothian, Scotland.
    5. George Mackay was born on 20 Mar 1912 in Glenavon, South Queensferry, Scotland; and died.

Generation: 2

  1. 2.  George Mackay was born in 1836 in Wick, Caithness, Scotland (son of Murdoch Mackay and Isabella Gunn); died on 29 Nov 1884 in 2 Engine Street, Bathgate, West Lothian, Scotland; was buried in Bathgate Cemetery, West Lothian, Scotland.

    Other Events:

    • _UID: D2BD1CC7F36E46D6B4E9A79F74FAA111F24B
    • Residence: 1851, John St, Dumbartonshire, Scotland
    • Occupation: 1871; grocer
    • Residence: 1871, 4 Engine Street, Bathgate, West Lothian, Scotland
    • Occupation: 15 Dec 1877; Grocer
    • Occupation: 1881; Master Grocer
    • Residence: 1881, 1 Hopetoun Street, Bathgate, West Lothian, Scotland
    • Residence: 29 Nov 1884, 2 Engine Street, Bathgate, West Lothian, Scotland
    • Occupation: 12 Jul 1899; Grocer
    • Occupation: 1 Jan 1904; grocer, deceased
    • Occupation: 15 Jun 1904; licensed grocer, deceased
    • Occupation: 9 Nov 1904; grocer, deceased
    • Occupation: 1 Dec 1932; grocer, deceased
    • Occupation: 1 Sep 1939; grocer, deceased

    Notes:

    Informant on the death of George MacKay was his brother in law James Aitken


    ------ From Source Attached To: Occupation ------
    Death Cert, Cit. Date: 15 Nov 2020.
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    ------ From Source Attached To: Occupation ------
    Death Cert, Cit. Date: 16 Nov 2020.
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    Occupation:
    employing 2 men

    George married Elisabeth Donaldson Aitken on 27 Dec 1864 in Silvermines Farm, Torphicen, West Lothian, Scotland. Elisabeth (daughter of Robert Aitken and Ann Henderson) was born in 1841 in Bathgate, West Lothian, Scotland; died on 4 Feb 1920 in Bathgate, West Lothian, Scotland; was buried in 1920 in Bathgate Cemetery, West Lothian, Scotland. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 3.  Elisabeth Donaldson Aitken was born in 1841 in Bathgate, West Lothian, Scotland (daughter of Robert Aitken and Ann Henderson); died on 4 Feb 1920 in Bathgate, West Lothian, Scotland; was buried in 1920 in Bathgate Cemetery, West Lothian, Scotland.

    Other Events:

    • _UID: 85A3B9CF5CF641BA8CC47217AA7675D64119
    • Residence: 1841, Parkhead, Linlithgow, West Lothian, Scotland
    • Residence: 1851, Silvermines Farm, Torphicen, West Lothian, Scotland
    • Residence: 1861, Silvermines Farm, Torphicen, West Lothian, Scotland
    • Residence: 1871, 4 Engine Street, Bathgate, West Lothian, Scotland
    • Residence: 1881, 1 Hopetoun Street, Bathgate, West Lothian, Scotland
    • Occupation: 1891; grocer
    • Residence: 1891, 4 Engine Street, Bathgate, West Lothian, Scotland
    • Occupation: 1901; grocer
    • Residence: 1901, 4 Engine Street, Bathgate, West Lothian, Scotland
    • Residence: 3 Feb 1920, 4Engine Street, Bathgate, West Lothian, Scotland
    • Residence: 4 Feb 1920, 4 Engine Street, Bathgate, West Lothian, Scotland

    Notes:

    The middle name of Donaldson comes from her Death Certificate.
    In 1920 George Mackay was the informant of the death of his mother Elisabeth Aitken

    Notes:

    Married:
    Witnesses at the wedding of George Mackay and Elisabeth AItken were N.Russell and J. Aitken.

    Name: George Mckay
    Gender: Male
    Marriage Date: 27 Dec 1864
    Marriage Place: Linlithgow, West Lothian, Scotland
    Spouse: Elizabeth Donaldson Aitken
    FHL Film Number: 6035516

    Name: Elizabeth Donaldson Aitken
    Gender: Female
    Marriage Date: 27 Dec 1864
    Marriage Place: Linlithgow, West Lothian, Scotland
    Spouse: George McKay
    FHL Film Number: 6035516

    Children:
    1. Ann Anderson Mackay was born on 15 Oct 1865 in Bathgate, West Lothian, Scotland; and died.
    2. Isabella Gunn Mackay was born on 25 Sep 1867 in Bathgate, West Lothian, Scotland; died on 5 Aug 1907 in 4 Engine Street, Bathgate, West Lothian, Scotland.
    3. Barbara Sinclair Mackay was born on 20 Jul 1869 in Bathgate, West Lothian, Scotland; died on 2 Jun 1944 in 19 McGhie Street, Hamilton, Lanarkshire, Scotland.
    4. 1. George Murdoch Mackay was born on 13 Aug 1871 in Bathgate, West Lothian, Scotland; died on 1 Sep 1939 in Lynnwood, South Queensfery, West Lothian, Scotland; was buried in 1939 in Queensferry Municipal Cemetery, Midlothian, Scotland.
    5. Robert Aitken Mackay was born on 4 Mar 1873 in Bathgate, West Lothian, Scotland; and died.
    6. Elizabeth Donaldson Aitken Mackay was born on 15 Dec 1877 in 6 Engine Street, Bathgate, West Lothian, Scotland; died on 1 Dec 1932 in 81 Mid Street, Bathagte, West Lothian, Scotland; was buried in 1932 in Bathgate Cemetery, Bathgate, West Lothian, Scotland.


Generation: 3

  1. 4.  Murdoch Mackay and died.

    Other Events:

    • _UID: 0807AB48EB9247E6AE6BE95433333C55F9BA
    • Occupation: 1851; gardener
    • Residence: 1851, John St, Dumbartonshire, Scotland

    Murdoch married Isabella Gunn. Isabella and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 5.  Isabella Gunn and died.

    Other Events:

    • _UID: 25A9A287F56D4F8B89E3318C186170C90E9D
    • Residence: 1851, John St, Dumbartonshire, Scotland

    Children:
    1. 2. George Mackay was born in 1836 in Wick, Caithness, Scotland; died on 29 Nov 1884 in 2 Engine Street, Bathgate, West Lothian, Scotland; was buried in Bathgate Cemetery, West Lothian, Scotland.

  3. 6.  Robert Aitken was born on 15 Dec 1805 in Torphichen, West Lothian, Scotland (son of John Aitken and Elizabeth Donaldson); died on 17 Oct 1874 in Silvermines Farm, Torphicen, West Lothian, Scotland; was buried on 20 Oct 1874 in Glasgow Rd Cemetery, Bathgate, West Lothian, Scotland.

    Other Events:

    • _UID: 2585986671ED4F8FA233890C23280722C24C
    • Occupation: 1841; Lime Burner
    • Residence: 1841, Parkhead, Linlithgow, West Lothian, Scotland
    • Occupation: 1851; Farmer (97 acres)
    • Residence: 1851, Silvermines Farm, Torphicen, West Lothian, Scotland
    • Occupation: 1861; Limeburner & Farmer Of 90 Acres Employing 2 Men
    • Residence: 1861, Silvermines Farm, Torphicen, West Lothian, Scotland
    • Occupation: 13Mar 1862; farmer
    • Occupation: 1871; Farmer Of 93 Ac Employing 1 Man & 1 Boy
    • Residence: 1871, Silvermines Farm, Torphicen, West Lothian, Scotland

    Notes:

    The lease of Wester Tartraven Farm was granted to John in 1802, at a rent of 35 pounds. This lease was renewed for 20 years in 1820. This then takes us to 1840 when John died. There are no records as to who leased it from 1840 until 1847 when records show John's son, Robert, in possession.
    In 1832 he must already have been a man of property.
    The "List of the Electors of the County of Linlithgow" was produced in 1858. This listing states that "in 1832, 1837 and 1838, that Robert Aitken, Lime-burner, of Silver-Mine, Torphichen, Bathgate, was a tenant occupier".
    Who one actually voted for was recorded. In 1832 Robert voted for Sir A. Hope and in 1837 he voted for Captain Hope, in 1838 he voted for Mr Charles Hope.
    It is not surprising that Robert had voted that way. The land he leased, for farming and his lime burning business, was owned by the Hope family, the Hope's of Hopetoun, Earls of Linlithgow.
    Robert's father held the lease of Wester Tartraven and the Limecraig of Silvermine until 1840.
    I cannot find any record of who held the lease between 1840 and 1847, it was our Robert, according to Burke's Peerage.
    In 1844 he bought a house in Bathgate. Then in 1845 he bought the grounds and buildings on the east side of Engine Street and the south side of North Street.
    1847 must have been a momentous year for Robert and Ann.
    That year, Robert, acquired more properties in Bathgate.
    He signed a lease, for 18 years, for Silvermines farm.
    His wife, Ann, also acquired property in Bathgate in 1847. So she must have been a woman of some substance as well.
    Robert, Ann and their daughter Catherine all joined Torphichen Church.

    Cemetery: Bathgate, Glasgow Road Cemetery
    Interment Number: 2537
    Date of Interment: Tuesday, 20 Oct 1874
    Time: 3pm
    Name: Robert Aitken
    Occupation: Farmer
    Residence: Silver Mines
    Date of death: 17 Oct 1874
    Age: 69
    Cause of Death: Dropsy
    How conveyed to grave: Hearse
    Ground: Private
    Compartment: B
    Lair Number: 71
    Depth: 5 feet
    Charge: 5/-
    Other info: two spaces No. 71 & 72

    Robert married Ann Henderson on 3 Oct 1828 in Torphichen, Linlithgow, West Lothian, Scotland. Ann (daughter of Robert Henderson and Janet Jeffrey) was born on 3 Oct 1809 in Bathgate, West Lothian, Scotland; died on 18 Jun 1880 in Wester Tartraven, Torphicen, West Lothian, Scotland; was buried on 21 Jun 1880 in Glasgow Rd Cemetery, Bathgate, West Lothian, Scotland. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  4. 7.  Ann Henderson was born on 3 Oct 1809 in Bathgate, West Lothian, Scotland (daughter of Robert Henderson and Janet Jeffrey); died on 18 Jun 1880 in Wester Tartraven, Torphicen, West Lothian, Scotland; was buried on 21 Jun 1880 in Glasgow Rd Cemetery, Bathgate, West Lothian, Scotland.

    Other Events:

    • _UID: A787A0237BC54AA29F33EEB11B18923C8F2B
    • Residence: 1841, Parkhead, Linlithgow, West Lothian, Scotland
    • Residence: 1851, Silvermines Farm, Torphicen, West Lothian, Scotland
    • Residence: 1861, Silvermines Farm, Torphicen, West Lothian, Scotland
    • Residence: 1871, Silvermines Farm, Torphicen, West Lothian, Scotland

    Notes:

    Name: Ann Anderson
    Gender: Female
    Birth Date: 3 Oct 1809
    Birth Place: Bathgate, West Lothian, Scotland
    Father: Robert Anderson
    Mother: Jaffrey
    FHL Film Number: 102976, 1066612, 0102975

    In 1847 Ann acquired property in Bathgate so she must have been a person of some substance.
    Robert, Ann and their daughter Catherine all joined Torphichen Church.
    In "The County Directory of Scotland" for 1875 it shows Mrs Aitken, & Robert's wife Ann, as being the farmers of Silvermines Farm.
    The informant of the death of Ann Henderson was her son James Aitken

    Children:
    1. Catherine Aitken was born in 1830 in Linlithgow, West Lothian, Scotland; died on 14 Aug 1900 in Broomparkwell, Torphichen, West Lothian, Scotland; was buried on 15 Aug 1900 in Woodbank Cemetery, Torphichen, West Lothian, Scotland.
    2. Janet Aitken was born in 1832 in Linlithgow, West Lothian, Scotland; died on 22 Jul 1905 in Cragfoot Cottage, Bo'Ness, West Lothian, Scotland.
    3. Reverend William Cuthbert Aitken was born on 28 Feb 1834 in Torphichen, West Lothian, Scotland; died on 13 Dec 1913 in Newcastle, Northumberland, New Brunswick, Canada; was buried in St Andrew.
    4. John Aitken was born in 1836 in Linlithgow, West Lothian, Scotland; died on 3 Apr 1907 in Spittalrigg, Haddington, East Lothian, Scotland,.
    5. Robert Aitken was born in 1838 in Linlithgow, West Lothian, Scotland; died on 16 Jul 1906 in Drumcross, Bathgate, West Lothian, Scotland.
    6. 3. Elisabeth Donaldson Aitken was born in 1841 in Bathgate, West Lothian, Scotland; died on 4 Feb 1920 in Bathgate, West Lothian, Scotland; was buried in 1920 in Bathgate Cemetery, West Lothian, Scotland.
    7. David Aitken was born in 1843 in Linlithgow, West Lothian, Scotland; died on 12 Jul 1893 in Drumcross, Bathgate, West Lothian, Scotland.
    8. Ann Aitken was born in 1846 in Linlithgow, West Lothian, Scotland; died on 20 May 1910 in SAS Canada; was buried in Saint Andrew's Presbyterian Cemetery, Maple, York Regional Municipality, Ontario, Canada.
    9. Mary Gibson Aitken was born in 1850 in Linlithgow, West Lothian, Scotland; died on 29 Jun 1896 in 265 Saracen Street, Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland.
    10. James Aitken was born in 1856 in Linlithgow, West Lothian, Scotland; died on 11 Sep 1894 in Drumcross, Bathgate, West Lothian, Scotland.


Generation: 4

  1. 12.  John Aitken was born on 4 Jun 1772 in Carriden, Bo'Ness, West Lothian, Scotland; was christened on 14 Jun 1772 in Carriden, Bo'Ness, West Lothian, Scotland (son of John Aitken and Alison Walker); died on 24 Apr 1840 in Silvermines Farm, Torphicen, West Lothian, Scotland; was buried in 1840 in Torphichen Churchyard, West Lothian, Scotland.

    Other Events:

    • _UID: 2C88A443A33E4CBB95988683D5DF0038A59C
    • Occupation: 11 Nov 1798; Farmer
    • Residence: 8 Oct 1803, Tartraven Farm, Torphicen, West Lothian, Scotland
    • Occupation: 21 Apr 1879; farmer (deceased)

    Notes:

    The lease of Wester Tartraven Farm was granted to John in 1802, at a rent of 35 pounds. This lease was renewed for 20 years in 1820. This then takes us to 1840 when John died. There are no records as to who leased it from 1840 until 1847 when records show John's son, Robert, in possession.

    ------ From Source Attached To: Occupation ------
    Death Cert, Cit. Date: 29 Dec 2012.
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    John married Elizabeth Donaldson on 11 Nov 1798 in Linlithgow, West Lothian, Scotland. Elizabeth (daughter of Thomas Donaldson and Catherine Arbuckle) was born about 1777 in Linlithgow, West Lothian, Scotland; died on 31 Jan 1857 in Silvermines Farm, Torphicen, West Lothian, Scotland; was buried in 1857 in Torphichen Churchyard, West Lothian, Scotland. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  2. 13.  Elizabeth Donaldson was born about 1777 in Linlithgow, West Lothian, Scotland (daughter of Thomas Donaldson and Catherine Arbuckle); died on 31 Jan 1857 in Silvermines Farm, Torphicen, West Lothian, Scotland; was buried in 1857 in Torphichen Churchyard, West Lothian, Scotland.

    Other Events:

    • _UID: 178EE266F41A4FF289B2660A33BD80EA411B
    • Residence: 8 Oct 1803, Tartraven Farm, Torphicen, West Lothian, Scotland
    • Residence: 1841, Tartraven Farm, Torphicen, West Lothian, Scotland
    • Occupation: 1851, Silvermines Farm, Torphicen, West Lothian, Scotland
    • Occupation: 1851; domestic servant

    Notes:

    Informant of death of Elizabeth Donaldson was son Peter Aitken

    Notes:

    Married:
    Name: John Aiken
    Gender: Male
    Marriage Date: 11 Nov 1798
    Marriage Place: Linlithgow,West Lothian,Scotland
    Spouse: Elisabeth Donaldson
    FHL Film Number: 102990

    Name: Elisabeth Donaldson
    Gender: Female
    Marriage Date: 11 Nov 1798
    Marriage Place: Linlithgow,West Lothian,Scotland
    Spouse: John Aitken
    FHL Film Number: 102990

    Children:
    1. Margaret Aitken was born on 29 Aug 1799 in Linlithgow, West Lothian, Scotland; died on 22 Jul 1802 in Torphichen, Linlithgow, West Lothian, Scotland; was buried in Torphichen Churchyard, West Lothian, Scotland.
    2. John Aitken was born on 22 Aug 1801 in Linlithgow, West Lothian, Scotland; died on 6 Oct 1836 in Torphichen, Linlithgow, West Lothian, Scotland; was buried in Torphichen Churchyard, West Lothian, Scotland.
    3. Elizabeth Aitken was born on 8 Oct 1803 in Linlithgow, West Lothian, Scotland; died on 16 Jan 1891 in Galabraes Farm, West Lothian, Scotland.
    4. 6. Robert Aitken was born on 15 Dec 1805 in Torphichen, West Lothian, Scotland; died on 17 Oct 1874 in Silvermines Farm, Torphicen, West Lothian, Scotland; was buried on 20 Oct 1874 in Glasgow Rd Cemetery, Bathgate, West Lothian, Scotland.
    5. Margaret Aitken was born on 9 Oct 1808 in Torphichen, West Lothian, Scotland; was christened on 23 Oct 1808 in Torphichen, West Lothian, Scotland; died on 21 Apr 1879 in Gateshields Farm, Torphicen, West Lothian, Scotland.
    6. Agnes Aitken was born on 26 Apr 1811 in Linlithgow, West Lothian, Scotland; died on 19 Apr 1882 in Kipps Cottage, Torphicen, West Lothian, Scotland; was buried in Torphichen Churchyard, West Lothian, Scotland.
    7. James Aitken was born on 25 Mar 1816 in Silvermines Farm, Torphicen, West Lothian, Scotland; died on 16 Jun 1884 in Hilderston Hill House, Torphicen, West Lothian Scotland; was buried in 1884 in Torphichen Churchyard, West Lothian, Scotland.
    8. William Aitken was born on 5 May 1819 in Silvermines Farm, Torphicen, West Lothian, Scotland; was christened on 13 May 1819 in Linlithgow, West Lothian, Scotland; died on 24 Jan 1833 in Torphichen, West Lothian, Scotland; was buried in Torphichen Churchyard, West Lothian, Scotland.
    9. Peter Aitken was born on 6 Jun 1822 in Linlithgow, West Lothian, Scotland; was christened on 7 Jul 1822 in Linlithgow, West Lothian, Scotland; died on 10 Jan 1908 in Braehead Farm, Linlithgow, West Lothian, Scotland; was buried in Bathgate Cemetery, West Lothian, Scotland.

  3. 14.  Robert Henderson and died.

    Other Events:

    • _UID: E0FE0F7FAFB04F4F94D0788BDA5B06455069

    Robert married Janet Jeffrey. Janet and died. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]


  4. 15.  Janet Jeffrey and died.

    Other Events:

    • _UID: 332D2B8610F246B0B6C954ECC8376F88BEFB

    Children:
    1. 7. Ann Henderson was born on 3 Oct 1809 in Bathgate, West Lothian, Scotland; died on 18 Jun 1880 in Wester Tartraven, Torphicen, West Lothian, Scotland; was buried on 21 Jun 1880 in Glasgow Rd Cemetery, Bathgate, West Lothian, Scotland.


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